The Shakedown with Shooter and Mac G
Newly acquainted bros with nothing better to do after work so we decide to try this podcast stuff. We'll be having daily discussions about various topics from current events to whatever is on our minds. Let's get real and hopefully have a few laughs along the way.
The Shakedown with Shooter and Mac G
Are Artists Worth More After Death?
What if the value of an artist’s work peaks after they’re gone—and the system is built to profit from it? We open the vault on posthumous fame, unpacking why streams surge, why unreleased songs appear “on schedule,” and how grief, scarcity, and label strategy shape the market. Along the way, we compare musicians to painters whose fortunes rose after death and ask the uncomfortable question: who actually gets paid when the legend grows?
From there we get practical. We break down masters, publishing, and catalog control using Michael Jackson’s Beatles deal as a playbook for how rights move. We draw a line between public domain hymns and modern worship songs that still require licenses, and we share the safest approach for seasonal projects: royalty-free sources with clean paperwork. Then it’s band politics and splits—the moment when “we all made it” collides with who wrote the hook. The label stack comes into focus like a pyramid, where imprints feed into majors and stars launch sub-labels while still owing upstream. That structure explains forced-feeling collabs, public beefs, and why leverage is everything.
Money myths get a reality check. We talk about how even famous artists go broke through advances, recoupment, and lifestyle creep, with a candid detour into Scotty Pippen’s contract to show how early deals set ceilings across industries. Sampling is a legal minefield we navigate with plain steps for clearing beats, logging splits, and avoiding the kind of disputes that can kneecap a breakout single. Then the conversation turns to culture and safety: Snoop’s impact, the politics of “checking in,” and why giving back should be strategic, not performative. The losses of Nipsey Hussle and Young Dolph underscore the risk of being visible at home, and the need to protect yourself while you build.
We’re also leveling up the show. Video is coming, wireless mics are on deck, and we’re lining up guests who can speak to catalog strategy, indie releases, and the real math behind touring. If you care about music, ownership, and staying safe while you scale, this one hits home. Subscribe, drop a review, and tell us the one rights question you want answered next.
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SPEAKER_01:But like I like to say, welcome to the show with your two favorite hosts in the world. What up, what up? We appreciate you guys for tuning in and taking the time to listen to uh a couple of uh motherfuckers that don't know about nothing, but we're gonna tell you something, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly right.
SPEAKER_01:This music industry, bro. Are there artists worth more dead?
SPEAKER_02:I mean it all depends, really.
SPEAKER_01:And this is just my theory, right? You you know, most most artists are are popping when they're around. And my theory is this I know this RP to some of the music to the some of the artists, right? But some some artists' music they seem like to be more everywhere, more downloads and stuff like that once they pass away. You know, tragically.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean it's I mean, I don't know because when you think about it I mean when an when a painter dies, it's fucking dude, it's fucking hot. When a painter dies, dude, they that's when they fucking blow up. You know, a painter, uh like Renaissance painter and all those guys, they didn't really, I mean, they made money painting, but they would have made, I mean, if they were if they would have faked their deaths and then, you know, kind of stuck around to see how their their art was gonna blow up after that, they would have made millions. They would have seen that they made millions because look at how much their art is is worth now. Look at how much a Michelangelo piece goes for and all that shit. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:That sounds like a good experiment to for an artist to fake his death to see if he's worth more now or after his death. Well, obviously, like you just said.
SPEAKER_02:I think the only one that's been able to really pull that off, because I don't even think notorious BIG was able to do that, was Tupac. Look at how many look at how many albums he's got out now since his death. He's got more albums now in his death than he did when he was alive.
SPEAKER_01:I you uh I be thinking too, some of some of these people are like uh the music industry, they'll hold back a couple of songs and then they'll release them after their death. You know? Because uh you'll have some some artists that will pass away, and then like a month later, or like a two months later, you hear you they drop a like a little three album or like a little special music that he hasn't been re that hasn't been released or that he hasn't released yet, and it kind of like it goes up, you know?
SPEAKER_02:But I mean, yeah, that's what that's what Tupac did, didn't he? He he he came out with with more new songs in his death than he did when he before he died.
SPEAKER_01:At least that's what it seems like. Yeah, it does seem that way, and it's crazy because you know if people still give Tupac his credit and B.I.G. and music and stuff like that. Right, right. You still hear about him in the songs and how people, you know, shout out Tupac and all that good stuff, man. It's just it's just crazy because like the whole how how is it that a certified, and this is just from what I heard, right? Supposedly a certified doctor killed, well not killed, but injected the wrong uh medicine into Michael Jackson, I think, or something like that?
SPEAKER_02:From my understanding, basically basically what happened is Michael Jackson went went the way of um Belushi, basically. I mean, and not not under medical medical profession professional circumstances. He was just partying with the wrong female that kept injecting him with speedballs. I mean Belushi. Jackson, on the other hand, did have a trained supposedly no, actually, well, he was a trained doctor, but he was I don't think he was whatever his medical degree or license was was he was stripped from his medical from my understanding. I think his he wasn't really allowed to be practicing. He was one of those, what do you call those? Like a street pharmacist? Uh you call like a house call? No, no, when a doctor uh uh malpractice.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Malpractice, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know what's crazy though how how doctors came to be is like they just I guess I don't know if they took willingly patients or they were just like people that had just passed away and they just started like operating on them and like when you're hurting, I've experienced this before.
SPEAKER_02:When I've got a fucking pain that I can't get rid of somehow, I'm willing to go to anybody that says, hey bro, I think I know how to take care of that. Alright, bro, do what you gotta do.
SPEAKER_01:You go over there, and next thing you know, your left fire starts switching, and you just went in for a little for a little pain. You know, you're damn your pinky was playing.
SPEAKER_02:You know, uh we're both Hispanic here. We we we I'm sure we both have dealt with guardetos at one point or another, dog.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, those are those are something else. All right, well then there you go. It's the same thing. It works, though. It works the same thing, right? It worked, I'll tell you that. I said, God damn. Pinky. And then she fixed that motherfucker quick. I said, Yeah, we can't take you to no regular hospital.
SPEAKER_02:We're gonna have to chop it off and then reattach it.
SPEAKER_01:Ain't no money to take your ass to the regular hospital. You're gonna have to chop it off and reattach it. But this is my thing too. I was talking about because supposedly I think he was gonna buy out Sony or something, or he was trying to he was in the works of doing something, and it seemed like to me, like the industry wanted to control him.
SPEAKER_02:Well, first of all, if you're going that route, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's you have to think. I'm not exactly sure. I know that Paul McCartney was the richest musician at one point in the early 2000s. Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney, uh one of the one of the Beatles. Oh, okay, okay. So and people for for people that don't know, McCartney owned or uh McCartney McCarthy? Uh Michael Jackson owned the rights to all the Beatles songs.
SPEAKER_01:Really?
SPEAKER_02:Before he died. He he had been owning them for like the last 25-30 years.
SPEAKER_01:How do you do that?
SPEAKER_02:He bought the rights, because uh after so many years, I think after so many years and they changed the laws. I think after 15, 10, 15 years or something like that. Statute of limitations go up on whatever how much you could buy. Uh so you wrote a song, a record company, you know, is gonna put it out, so they own it for so long because they're they're the ones putting it out. Oh, okay. So after so long, or say the band breaks up because that might be in the clause, and like, alright, well, if you break up, then I want I get I get I want it on contract uh under contract that when we break up the songs that I wrote are gonna be my songs. Not not the band's songs, not the not the record labels, it's not their song, it's my song. So if we break up, you guys can do whatever you want as long as we're a band with the song, but if we break up, I want my music back, and you guys can't do shit without it unless unless I approve it. Because that's how it is, that's what copyright laws are. Is is you you're not allowed to use somebody somebody's song that they wrote to make any sort of monetary gains off of it. Like for commercials or anything like that, or like you're not allowed to unless unless you ask them for permission, which a lot of times they'll ask for like$10,$15. Depending on how popular the song is, they'll ask for crazy amounts of money. That's where I'm stuck at right now, like with uh my music, my uh my Christmas thing is that like I I want to read there's a certain songs I want to record, but I can't because they're protecting the copyright law for for that artist or for whatever record company, whatever music group that was happening at that time that owns the rights. So I have to look in and go into the like royalty-free stuff. Like I think Jingle Bells is royalty free. I can do that song. Jingle Bells, a holy night, all all the all the Christmas hymns, all the all the religious Christmas-based hymns, they're all they've been in public domain for fucking centuries now. So like most all hymns there that you've sang out of a hymn book in church, those are all public domain. Basically. Most of them. Unless it's something that you heard like that was recorded that because now I notice nowadays in church in churches most people will bring will bring new age Christian songs into the temple to sing. Yeah. Those are you can't really use those because they're owned by certain artists. It's an artist's own pro own work as opposed to hymns that were written by conductors or musicians, world renowned musicians that were commissioned by kings and queens or the Pope to write a hymn and all this other stuff. That stuff that's been in we've been singing in the churches for thousands and thousands of years now. They copyright that they say you can't sing this now. No, that that's that's public domain. That's right, yeah. They like come back and no no family is like, hey, my my fucking great-great, great, great, great, great granddad wrote that shit. That's I want you know what I'm saying? That'd be ridiculous.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that'd be like, dude, get your ass out of here with that.
SPEAKER_02:Pretty much. And I and you know, I'm almost willing to say that a lot of these people, like high renaissance fucking artists and stuff like that, probably their families were taken care of for so for so long after their death, you know what I'm saying? Like probably a couple of decades or so, depending on how how uh how good they had it in with the with whoever was reigning at the time, you know, whatever king had the throne.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's true. I mean, I would think so. Right. You know, I would you know, some of us you know, family could be tricky. Family could be tricky.
SPEAKER_02:Right. So yeah, I mean that that that question is kind of loaded because I understand what you're saying. It's like I get it, Prince died. A lot of people say that he died under really weird circumstances. Come on now. But he was with but see that there's that's the thing, that's the catch 22. Is that you have friends and family that are saying no? He he never did a drug in his life. He he was all musician, this and that. But that's those are your people that you those are his people. His family is his people that he had connections with and all that stuff. They're not gonna talk about it. They they know him. Of course, they're not gonna talk about that, right? I would hold it. But they also say too that he was a very private person, you know, that he he did things a certain way, and he was he liked to keep do things. They say he could they well the people that party with him said that he he was a party animal and he can party down. Right. I just I mean, I've never met a person that parties down that doesn't do drugs. You know what I'm saying? Even if it's just a little I've never met anybody that that like wants that goes out to dance just to dance. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's like I mean, there's probably some people out there, right? But for the most part, I'm sure. For the most part, sure, but for the most part, most people that I know that want to go out to dance need something to help them to lose rather it be a drink, rather be something, you know what I mean? Exactly, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, I hear you. Some people might just be a little bit more into other stuff.
SPEAKER_02:And don't get me wrong, there's professional dancers out there that I'm sure, like, oh yeah, I like to dance anyways, let's go dance. But you know, for the most part, no. I mean, you know, you just no, yeah, I feel you.
SPEAKER_01:You get a few months.
SPEAKER_02:I've never heard anybody say I just want to go dance, man.
SPEAKER_01:But you gotta go break a move real quick. Yeah, unless you're a breakdancer. Yeah, I mean, unless you were a break, but even then, even those guys. Yeah, yeah, those guys, you know. I'll forget the reefer.
SPEAKER_02:That's straight from the streets right there, bro. Yeah, no, straight up. You're not lying.
SPEAKER_01:It's uh it's a it's a it's a good it's a it's crazy, man. Cause when you think about starting a band and then, like, okay, who owns that song? But then it's like, dude, that the whole band put it together. Whose song is it really? You know, like the Beatles. Okay, he I don't I think uh who is the main guy, supposedly? I forgot his name.
SPEAKER_03:You're the main guy. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:But that's the thing. I feel like when when Steve's when things start to break apart, it's like people start to be like, oh no, I made this song, oh no, I should have the rights to this. You know what I mean? But it's like, can you really do that? When you when you've come from a band, you know, and the band breaks apart, can can someone really come and be like, nah, this song's mine, even though the whole band made it?
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna just say, dude, first of all, if you don't have any sort of clout, any sort of recognition, and nobody really, nobody in the band, nobody's really gonna give a fuck about who wrote what song, when, what time. But once you start making money, then yes, that's when the ego started, oh well, you know, remember back then the band is getting paid a hundred thousand dollars. There's four of us, so it's gonna go, it's gonna split, it's gonna split four ways. But I wrote like five songs in the album. But I wrote five songs in the album, and those are and two of those are our hits, two of those are the ones that got us recognition. That's when you start getting all that shit.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, dude, that's where it gets tricky, bro. That's why go ahead.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no. I I guess I just want to say so uh so basically I don't want to say that there was a main guy in the Beatles. If you want to say there's a there was a leader in the Beatles, is it was gonna be their manager Brian Epstein, right? But nowadays, and because of all that, they're the ones that kind of and even before all that pretty much the precedent is that whoever writes the songs is most likely they own the songs. Unless and then it all depends on how the contracts are drawn up. If your manager also runs the record label and is the one putting helping putting you out and putting up all the money, he's gonna be like, Well, I'm the one putting up everything to get you guys out, so I'm gonna need to get at least 60% and 70% of everything else, or whatever you guys make, and then you guys get the rest, you know, because that's just fair.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Because the manager's the ones that pretty much book the shows, and like the manager's the one that books the show, if they believe in you, they even put they even invest money in you. So I could see why he would take a decent amount. Exactly. If you put they're putting money in, and you obviously you have to give up money. That's why nowadays it's so hard in in this industry, and that's why you have big name artists that had hits out like three years ago that you don't hear right now because what happens is that they put it out, they they start gaining money, and then they start seeing that they're not making they're not getting paid what they thought they should be getting paid. Then they start looking into it, then they find out that the person above them, because the way it works is that you got you got like the major record label, then they sign an artist. Uh you or you got like a corporation that owns a record label. So you got the corporation, then you got the record label, then the record label, you know, they they put out they pump out superstars, and then once they you know are big enough, then they'll like sign them on to the label, they'll they'll let them go out, branch out, and start their own label under the record, the major record labels guidance. So it's like a pyramid scheme. Okay, you understand what I'm saying? And so now what happens is that you got the the corporation that owns the record label, the record label that owns the the big the major artist, and then uh what's that that artist is like all right? I'm tired of making money for you guys, I'm ready to branch out of my start a studio, we'll back you up. Alright, cool. He starts a studio, but he's still having to owe those those guys money, the guys above him money. So, okay, well, I mean those are the contracts, huh? I gotta make more money in order to pull you guys alright. Well, start signing artists. And that's how that goes. And that's how that goes.
SPEAKER_01:So that's why some of these artists start to co-sign other artists, and that's why.
SPEAKER_02:That's why artists start beefing, dude. That's crazy. That's why artists start beefing. I you know that's I mean, look at Kendrick Lamar and Drake. It was the same thing. Kendrick Lamar and Brett and Drake were they were putting out music together for a while. I don't even know if Kendrick Lamar or Kendrick was a part of uh OVO.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, he was definitely not, but they were definitely putting out a lot of shit together. Yeah, they definitely put a few songs together. I just think most of the time that's forced by the industry.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think they actually it's a pyramid scheme.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I don't think they actually came together and said, Hey bro, I think you're pretty cool. Let's make a song.
SPEAKER_02:Or maybe at one point they thought they were yeah, yeah, you're at one point, yeah, obviously, but then it's like I said, dude, that's where the ego takes over the head, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's definitely uh that's how somebody's you know what's crazy to me. I mean, I I nah I'm not saying, you know, because I I could say this right now, and if you know, if I ever had a a couple million in my hand, who knows what I would do with it, right? But I can't right now I'm saying this, right? Because I never had a million dollars in my hand. So I can't see how people who have millions and millions of dollars, dude, have just go broke. You know, just like dude, like I understand, like I you hear some of these people, like for instance, I heard Mariah Carey do, she likes to spend like a I forgot how much, but on Frozes or something. It was like a cut, like almost like a million dollars, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they have to that's that's why people that's why big artists end up going broke. It's for that shit right there.
SPEAKER_01:That's ridiculous, dude. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:I mean she could she could afford that back when she was married to to the CEO of Sony back in those days, but come on. I mean, she ain't really making money like that no more.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, probably just not the Christmas song because doesn't she get her royalties off the case?
SPEAKER_02:I get that, but still, dude, she wasn't making nowhere near enough money as much money as as her ex-husband uh Matola was yeah before Nick, she was married to the CEO of Sony, dude. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I and guess who guess who uh who stole her man? Who Thalia?
SPEAKER_01:Who's Talia?
SPEAKER_02:Talia? Yeah, Marimar? Marimar Maria La del Barrio?
SPEAKER_01:Maria Del Barrio?
SPEAKER_02:Jennifer, not Jennifer. I don't see Jennifer. Um she's a soap opera star and also if she no recuerdo no paso. That song? You know that song? She no recuerdo no paso.
SPEAKER_01:What's her name again?
SPEAKER_02:Talia. T H A L or T A L I A. Talia Sheer? No, just Talia. Or it could be T-H-A-L-I-A. This is the Hebrew Taha? Tahalia? Taha? Singer, a singer. She's a singer. This girl?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Her? Yeah, Marimar.
SPEAKER_01:That's her?
SPEAKER_02:That's Marimar, bro.
SPEAKER_01:That's who stole Mariah Kerry. Mariah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, bro. I mean, she's a little hobby. Oh, she I mean, she was just I mean, she was just barely blown up when and Mariah Carey had already was already like in her like late 30s and stuff and all that shit happened.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. Cause um, even even the whole like if you pa when you pass away, who gets the money, right? Like you're a big artist, you some god forbid something happens during during you blowing up and I mean, because dude.
SPEAKER_02:That's where there's contracts in place, honestly. And and that's that's where that shit gets kind of iffy. That's it. Right, contracts, bro. That's the whole thing about contracts in the industry, dude, is like you have to believe in yourself to try and push to make as much money as you can. Because once that contract is signed, that's right. That's it, dude. That's it. After that, it's like you might even blow up even more than you think you've blown up. But because you signed that clear, look at Scottie Pippen. Look at the whole Scottie Pippen deal, bro.
SPEAKER_01:What happened with him?
SPEAKER_02:You know what happened with Scotty Pippen?
SPEAKER_01:Didn't didn't uh his wife take like half his money or something?
SPEAKER_02:No, it wasn't that. I mean, I'm sure I don't know. You know, everybody has their problems, bro. I wouldn't doubt it.
SPEAKER_01:That sounds about right, you know. It seems like half the though, but okay, you don't know. I'm sorry, good.
SPEAKER_02:What were you gonna say? So yeah, you don't know about Scottie Pippen and him not being paid when he was supposed to be getting paid? Dude, he was one of the lowest paid athletes in the time in the whole three the both three peats that the Bulls went through. He was like, dude, you had to go down in like the in the in the 300 spots of highest paid athletes. And he wasn't even in there? That's where he was at. He was at the like the in like the top 200. That's crazy. The lower top 200. And this was around the time highest paid athletes.
SPEAKER_01:And this was around the time when they were winning championships, right? When they won a.
SPEAKER_02:The whole time he was with the Bulls. Wow, bro. Because he signed a shitty ass contract at the end of the at the when he first got started because he didn't have representation. He was just a pod dunk kid from I think Indiana or some bullshit like the Detroit or some shit like that, with like fucking 20 brothers and two uh uh I I think one uh special special needs brother that was in a wheelchair. And that contract kind of seemed like a way out. Exactly, dude. Exactly. But that's why I heard like he tried renegotiating and general manager that the white thing Krauss was hated so much. Who? Jerry Krause, the general manager of the Bulls back in those days. Brother, I I recommend if you have Netflix, watch The Last Dance, dude. Oh, I gotta watch that. Watch The Last Dance, bro. It's a good show. You know, it's uh dude, I I I binge watched that whole thing, the all four episodes or five episodes, dude. It's it's a trick crazy ass documentary, dude. And believe me, at the end of it, you're shhh You know what's crazy? You you won't look at Scottie Pippen the same way after that, bro. It's like, damn, bro, you got you got fucked over hard, dog. Holy shit, dude. I feel like holy shit, it's not even it, it's like damn, dude. It makes you want to pull out your wallet and donate the Scottie Pippen Foundation in the game.
SPEAKER_01:Donate to the Scottie Pippen, don't no, hey, bro, but you know what's crazy? You like as kids or even as people on the seat or in the bench or just people in general watching, you think some of these guys, like, damn, Scotty Pimpin', bro, he's gotta be making money. Scotty Pippen be pimping, bro. Exactly, dude. Like, I I Scotty Pippen to me was probably like besides Michael Jordan and that other guy that had the crazy hair, I forgot it was. Rodman? Yeah, dude. They were like, they were like up there, no? I think Scottie Pippen was at least from the Bulls.
SPEAKER_02:Rodman came the last two seasons or whatever of their of the championship or the second run or the somewhere. He he only helped them win two championships, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Right off the bat, who do you think is better? Scotty Pippen or Robin? Scotty Pippen. Right?
SPEAKER_02:When it comes to basketball, they're even saying, dude, that Scottie Pippen might even be better than might could have been even be better than Michael Jordan. It's just you know, I think that's it's just Michael Jordan was better, was what better was more paid and better represented, dude. That's all they're saying. But but if you look at the numbers, Scottie Pippen was putting up numbers every single night. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01:And that was a big deal back in the day, dude. It's a big deal, and then on top of that, dude, like the thing I think what happened with Scottie Pippen is the whole the whole take he started seeing the money and the contract, and he's like, that probably fucked with him mentally.
SPEAKER_02:I think even Michael Jordan would even admit I think he did say in the in the documentary honestly, dude, that the best player that I've ever known in my whole life even better than me is probably Scottie Pippen. I gotta watch that. And if he did say that, dude, if he says that, dude, that says a lot. For someone like him to say that, really, believe me though, just be prepared, dude, because you're gonna tell it. You kind of walk, you kind of walk out of there like looking at Michael Jordan in a different light, too, dude. I'm not gonna lie. Well, I always I I mean cut. I mean, if you've never heard Michael Jordan cuss before, this will be the first time you hear him cuss. Whoa, dude, this motherfucker's got a sailor's mouth on him. Yeah, he's just he cusses quite a bit, dude. And he's smoking and drinking. Well, you know, and honestly, he I think he's got like he might have diabetes or something, because his eyes are always like better than mine right now, dude. I'm gonna tell you that right now, bro. That or he uh he he he you know he puffs, he chiefs.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you know what they say you never you never want to meet your heroes. Oh, yeah. And nobody's perfect.
SPEAKER_02:A millionaire learned that the hard way, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, supposedly, yeah. And nobody's perfect, bro. Especially everybody, you get a few drinks and you start opening up about stuff that you know, and this and that. And I'm pretty sure back in those days they were partying, they were wilding, and dude, you're you're you're Chicago's a big city, bro. And then if you have fans the way we have fans, bro, and you're anybody big like Michael Jordan or like them, you're getting love, dude. You're getting love, the groupies.
SPEAKER_02:Another thing, dude. It's like if you knew the whole story with Michael Jordan when he was playing in this town and all that stuff, like he's he's a gambling addict. I I'm pretty sure that's another thing you're gonna learn that it's like, dude, this this dude just he just all about anytime like you just sit in there and you'd be like, Yeah, he likes to I forget what the name of that game I was telling you about with the quarters. The quarters you just be standing there and he slap mushrooms there just waiting the rounder sometimes, because sometimes you're sitting there waiting because he's a big ass athlete back in those days, and he's sitting there and he would get to know like the the security guards or whatever, and you're just sitting out there chilling, and like, ah, you want to play quarters? Like, yeah, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Like the line, right? You gotta hit the line or something.
SPEAKER_02:There's like you gotta you throw your quarter to see how close you get it to the wall without hitting the wall. If you hit the wall, you disqualified whoever's closer to the wall.
SPEAKER_01:Those are dude, those are like street games, those are like little streets. Kind of like throwing dice, yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Kind of like throwing dice, but I mean it's a little bit but like that's a gamble. It's a gamble game, dude. You don't need dice, it's like you had a quarter, pay for quarters, dude. Take quarter for anything, dude. A dollar, a quarter. He just wanted to gamble. He just wanted to gamble every time. I think you hear some crazy ass poker stories and all sorts of crazy stuff. So that makes you wonder a lot, and people speculated even when it happened that he uh rest in peace, his father, because I have a lot of respect for Michael Michael Jordan. I understand, you know, I've heard the stories, all that other stuff, the you know meet your idols and all that other stuff. But it is what it is. He's a great man. He he sacrificed a lot of himself for this team. He brought up a lot of people with him, too. So whatever, you know. I I honestly believe when you're when you're a phenom like that, you get, you know, you you have the right to have your little tweaks or whatever, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, we all got a little tweaks ourselves, you know. Right. But no, especially coming from like, dude, you're a kid and you think you're never gonna make it out of poverty and you and you and they're willing to pay you for something you love to do, right? Come on, dude. Who wouldn't jump the gun? Right. And then on top of that, I know these industry people, they see that they're like, oh, this kid comes from nothing. He's he's gonna look at this contract and sign it. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's probably what happened with Scottie Pippen, is that they saw that.
SPEAKER_02:That's exactly what happened with Scottie Pippen.
SPEAKER_01:And and and and you know, you're young, you don't really think about it, you think they're kind of looking out for your best interest, come to find out.
SPEAKER_02:But it's it's it was a shitty deal because everybody knew about it. That's fucking and and and this is where it gets iffy because the organization blamed Jerry Krause. But really, even the owner blamed Jerry Krauss. And it's like, come on, dude, you're the owner. What's it? You knew you're the owner, guys. You know what's going on, dude. Come on, bro.
SPEAKER_01:There's no way you're the owner and you don't know what's going on.
SPEAKER_02:It was Derry Krauss's, he's the one that it was adamant. Like, we talk about it. This guy was producing for you, and then you yeah, them's the brakes, he said. He said, We talk about those are the breaks, dude. I think literally how he put it was like, dude, that's maybe two and a half. Like, no, dude, that's not how it goes, dude. You're making millions off of this guy, you've won championships. You could be like, oh, you can't just be like, oh, Michael Jordan. And then Michael Jordan Jordan's over here, even having his back saying, dude, pay the motherfucker. Pay the man. Pay the man.
SPEAKER_01:He made you millions, dude. If not more than millions. Come on, man. Some people are just super.
SPEAKER_02:But everybody blames it on Jerry Krause.
SPEAKER_01:That's just, I think to my to my uh my opinion, I think they're just using him as a scapegoat.
SPEAKER_02:What watch the show, dude? I gotta watch. I think you gotta have your your own opinions about it.
SPEAKER_01:No, but just for I feel like every group has their scapegoat, right? When Chih hits the fan anywhere, even uh certain people get blamed for for things they have. Yeah, they might have known to an extent, they might have been in it, but it's like that you said, dude, the owner is the owner, bro. He he knew maybe before, dude. And I haven't watched the documentary, but I'm gonna watch it now.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I I don't know if you I don't know how old you were when uh they were on the run, but I was there for the whole thing. I lived here for the first run, the first time. When was that like 1997? No, like early early 90s, dude. Like early 80s, 90s and stuff. Yeah, I was I lived here for that.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, I heard Chicago went crazy when they went to Chicago.
SPEAKER_02:I went crazy for sure. Couldn't even go outside. It was even as a little kid, I didn't know really no shit about basketball, but I knew about that. I well, you know, you know what I mean? That's how much of an impact they had in the city. Oh, dude. We we we know nothing about no basketball, probably never even held a basketball to be at those times, but just knowing seeing him and all that other stuff, you knew what basketball was. Right. It's a big one. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Sports is a big deal in major cities. I mean, even in little spots, but just in general, you know? Right, right. I mean, dude, some of these college football stadiums sell out crazy.
SPEAKER_02:But to have lived through that and then watch this documentary, I'm telling you, it was just like, oh you got to see behind my kids were staying with me at the time because I think I was lit, I had my own my own uh I was uh living with my sister in our own apartment and my kids were visiting. And yeah, fucking they won. Dude, I was sitting there just hooing and hollering, just having a good I was I felt like a little kid again. Did it just like you just watch because it's all slow-mo, play by play, and you're getting the commentary from most all the players that had the most crucial parts and the more crucial plays. It's a good show, dude. It's a great show.
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:I I mean I don't know if it's if it's on Netflix.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, no, I uh or is it? I I think I've seen it um like sometimes they'll pop up like other stuff that like that's uh you know, like that good ratings, dude.
SPEAKER_02:You have a couple shows I've been recommending you to, bro. You gotta watch that scavenger. I guarantee you, bro. Go home, watch scavenger, throw on the first episode of Scavenger's Rain, bro. And I guarantee you you're gonna be you're gonna be hooked, dude. Scavenger Rain. Is that the one about the the moon or something? That's this that sci-fi cartoon show I keep telling you about.
SPEAKER_01:I gotta check that one out. No, I definitely gotta check out a few. It's just dude, the thing about uh the thing about these damn shows, like NFX and stuff, dude, there's so much stuff to watch. I spend more time scrolling for something to watch than actually watching something.
SPEAKER_02:I'm just I'm just saying you just just throw it on uh your your to watch list, and they'll I'm sure it'll pop it up into in your my list fucking little column. Yeah, and once you see it, just throw it on, dude. All it takes, dude, is like the first like I said, even I skipped over the thumb thumbnail when it first came out on HBO. Like, dude, this shit looks looks too flowery, it looks too LGBTQ for my taste, just from from the the look of the thumbnail, because it's got a chick with like really short hair.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I think I know she got like a bald head on the side.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's all just really low cut. Yeah, I think I'm just like flowery, all colourful stuff. But when you watch it, this looks like some girly crap, and then I threw it on, dude. I threw it on like like a year ago or something. Like I was like, my mind was blown, dude. This this show is amazing. The graphics are great, and even now that I got this new TV, watching it again, it's like watching it for the first time. It's insane, dude. It's a good show, the graphics are great. Now that the graphics are the um animation or just the art is great on it, dude. The the storyline, just the whole aesthetics of the show is awesome.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like that's what happens when uh when the artists get paid well because the music is is even greater.
SPEAKER_02:Like I I after watching the first episode, because the theme song will the the theme song will catch you. It's a cool little simple little ditty with a piano thing. It catches you, then the show starts, and it's just like it takes you on a throws you it throws you for a loop, bro. That's crazy. Scavengers Rings. I'll throw, I'll send you the link again.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely that one. The last dance. I gotta check out a couple of us. The last dance, and that's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if you want to check out Beastar, but oh, that's the the new one that just came out, right? Just that anime with the where everybody's like an animal or something.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't that that new one that just came out? He's like a blue, he looks like Spider-Man almost.
SPEAKER_02:I I don't know. It's just um it's like it's an anime, and it's uh like obviously China, Japan, I forget wherever. Maybe they're it's it's like Ivy League boarding school, and every student is like there's different it's all animals, but we're they're people kind of like horse half horse humans horsemen. Vlog kind of like that, but it's anime.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So you know, the g the the art is awesome and stuff like that, but it's it's a little weird, bro. That's funny, dude. Well, you know, their anime's never been normal. I watched two or three just because I was like, dude, I'm gonna give this anime stuff a shot. Because I I'm it's hard for me to get into anime. Like I told you before, I love Avatar, the last airbender.
SPEAKER_01:That's dude, um so what is what would you consider the difference between cartoons and anime?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it looks like anime to me. It almost has the same style, the same kind of like it reminded me, like, because I I saw uh Avatar first, the last airbender, and then and then my son like was like was adamant about me watching uh Naruto and it's not Naruto that first when he's a kid, dude. I can't get into that, bro. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna lie. So Aang from The Last Airbender is it's almost kind of like that, but not to that extreme. It's not very kiddish kiddish. It is he is a little kid, so you have to kind of remember, but it's not that bad. And he's growing up and all that other stuff. Whereas it just seems as like it's just little kids the whole time in the first what three, four seasons of Naruto.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and they do have that Japan style kind of like oh, like they do like it.
SPEAKER_02:They embarrass themselves and they got that big hair, all of a sudden it's the big head with the weird embarrassed. I I can't get into that too much. No, I hear you, man. And then the the the sound effects, oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:No, I hear you. I hear you. Even in English, it's still kind of like me. I'm I'm not gonna lie. I I am I'm a you know, that's my show, dude. Not not the first, like, yeah, I watched it just because it was.
SPEAKER_02:I haven't checked out the other stuff. Uh the other stuff seems interesting. What is that? Naruto, whatever the whatever one was after the first one.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, don't worry about the first one. The the one that's pretty decent that I like the most is Shippitan. Shippiton is like when they're older, they master. That's the one after the first. Yeah, that's the one after Naruto. Because then they made like little little like I mean Naruto or whatever. You know what I mean? But for me, bro, and even the new one with his son, Naruto Minuto or whatever. Minuto? Yeah, Minuto. Yeah, no, no, dude. But and I and I don't like you know, I don't I don't think we have too many uh animated fan list. Well, who knows, right? Hey, you never know. You never know. But for those who who you know, they they understand, right? If you watch, like I only watch it because it sucks watching something like when they come out with the new episode the new, like, all right, so it's Naruto, then Shippiton. If you haven't watched uh Naruto, you won't understand Shippiton. Just like it, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:It's all one big ass storyline. It's not really a story, the same storyline, but you have to get to know and understand uh Naruto, you have to watch the beginning of it. Exactly. And that's the origin story.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly, exactly. And it the thing that kind of pisses me off is that there'll be like two episodes, right? Of 30 minutes where you'll watch the same story. You were telling me about it. Dude, you'll watch the same thing, but it's from different else's point of view. Yeah, you're telling me. And it kind of sucks because it's like only 10 minutes of that is really important. And the rest of it is something you already watched.
SPEAKER_02:It's just them walking around in the building.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, oh for two episodes. Yeah, but you get to see it. Why did they start fighting? Because this guy over here was talking shit.
SPEAKER_02:So it's like you didn't know that because if you didn't watch it, you get a little bit of like insight into the stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so it sucks, dude, having like, yeah, you can fast. It's kind of long and drawn out, yeah, dude. You know what I mean? So, but it kind of builds up, yeah. And and some some scenes I didn't like because it didn't make sense. Like, like for one instance, there was like there was this chick holding this chick's hair, and she's kind of like the most it's three of them, and she's kind of like everybody says she's the useless one, but she ends up being pretty like down the future. But not long story short, this chick is holding her hair, and instead of like stabbing her, she cuts her whole her own hair off. And to me, that was like they do some some weird. You know, some like dude like more off stuff. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So, anyways. Well, I mean, that might have meaning in their culture, but we for us, it's like the nets and be like, what the hell did all that mean? Yeah, I'll catch myself doing that with some shows. Like, what did it mean when he took to yeah, it was kind of like I don't understand that explain this episode to me.
SPEAKER_01:And they kind of explained it. She's like, Oh, you know, I gotta cut my because she's like, you know, she's it was like a rebirth. I get it, right? But it's like you could have literally cut her fucking leg. Right, right. You know, but I don't I you know it's no, I get it, I get it. So for me, bro, the best one was Shiftin. That's when they're older, that's when they kind of like that's when the more fighting starts. That's when people actually start dying. And I love like, dude, I love like don't get me wrong, I love a good anime character, but I also love when they like not die, but there was like there was one of the characters in the name was Jariah, and he was pretty much like the father figure because you know his dad died saving the village. Okay, and this is Kakashi and uh Jiraya, and Kakashi and Jiraya are kind of their father figure to Naruto, and one of them dies, dude, and that shit hit. And people who who know, they know, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Actually, I think uh I remember my son Paul, maybe remember the younger one.
SPEAKER_01:You know, you know, dude, and that shit, and I love that shit because it's like, dude, and once in a while, bro, someone See that that's how it is with uh the last airbender for me.
SPEAKER_02:It's dude, it's right when you think for me.
SPEAKER_01:When you when you fucking love a character so much, dude, connect with it, you know. And then it hurts, bro, because it was like I love that they did that, and it's like fuck, I wish they did it, right? But it like it makes you even deeper, like exactly right.
SPEAKER_02:It makes it blows your mind. It's like just kind of like whoa, your shit's deep, bro. I don't know, bro. Like so many levels, I can't I can't even begin to explain. I need a break. You gotta watch it, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, bro, exactly. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who it was for an airbender. I think it was probably the old man that he always used to hang out with.
SPEAKER_02:Um the the uncle, not not uncle, not not Aang, but his his adversary, uh the guy, the the guy the Prinzuco. He had an uncle. He has an uncle that loves tea. That guy? I don't I I you know loves tea, but at one point, dude, that that's a whole another sad fucking yeah, dude. That's another part of Aang of uh the last their band that I loved was his story because it's like he's supposed to be a bad guy, but he's really not a bad guy. He's just looking out for his nephew the whole time. But it's like the whole thing is have background, his background story is like, holy shit. And and that's that's why he's looking, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's the and I that's why I kind of say Avatar isn't almost like an uh anime because it has a story, it has a meaning, it has a right, right.
SPEAKER_02:And the artistry, to me, the artistry is still for me, it's still the same. It's kind of in that same thing, right? Because I I always thought I kind of thought that uh did you ever watch the Jackie Chan cartoon? It was a cartoon, right? It was like yeah, I that almost seemed like I thought that was kind of anime for me. Yeah, yeah, to an yeah, because the the artistry, right? Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:To me, cartoons are boondocks.
SPEAKER_02:Boondocks is kind of is anime, yeah. Boondocks is a funny anime.
SPEAKER_01:Because when I when people ask me cartoons, I think the Simpsons family guy, those are like cartoons. That's like adult animation, right?
SPEAKER_02:But no, but but boondocks is definitely uh to me it's it's adult animation, but it's it's the it's artistry and the way it's written. Yeah, it's yeah, because it has a sort of not just because of the kung fu and the martial arts in here, but it's honestly the art the artistry, really, too. Because honestly, I think that's kind of uh a big part of what makes an anime. An anime is the artistry, right? Yeah, no, definitely the style of the art of like the drawings and all that other stuff, right?
SPEAKER_01:Definitely, definitely. And um, and some some of some of these shows have a really good way of like like getting you involved, like getting like like you have fairy characters, and then when like they die or something happens, you're like, ah, that's my boy, bro. You didn't have to do them like that.
SPEAKER_02:So I guess my my closest ties to like actual anime anime is the old OG stuff. I remember seeing a Akira. Akira? I don't know if you've seen that one. I think I heard about that one. Like that. Yeah, for anybody that's that grew up in the 90s and remembers watching the they used to have paid uh advertisements for the for that. You know what paid advertisements are? Like I seen on TV, but sometimes it's like a a 30-minute show of trying to sell you something, yeah, or it could just be a quick 30-second commercial, but it was like uh shipped out from Japan or China or whatever, yeah, Kira, the very first anime uh movie or whatever, and and so that's the only way you would be able to get the movie unless you went out to go rent it, would be buying it overseas from overseas. It was like kind of the first he what eventually morphed into Timu and Wish and all that dot com and all that shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but it was just a commercial for one single thing, you know, okay that you can really get in the States, you would have to order it and they would ship it to you from Japan or China or wherever they came from.
SPEAKER_01:Those are like when it's like late night kind of, and then like all of a sudden there's a certain channel that sells you like jewelry or like certain things, like honest number.
SPEAKER_02:It would be late night because uh it was a mature uh rated anime.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there would be like people trying to sell you stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I remember right, right. But this was uh like a mature rated anime, so the only way to sell it would be late at night, kind of like uh around the same time as uh of Girls Gone Wild type. Yeah, I remember that too, yeah. Dude, that shit would be up for like 30 minutes straight. I'm like, yo, kind of sound like that, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Like, damn, dude, are you gonna show me or what? You know, that was my first taste of anime, and then and then like a decade or two later, it was uh Fist of the North Star.
SPEAKER_01:Fist of the North Star. It's kind of like one punch man. You know what's funny though? I feel like anime has blown up a little bit more because back in the day I feel like people were like, oh, you're a nerd if you watch anime or you're kind of Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, it definitely blew up, blew up into a more more like you know, more accepted, more pop blew up in the pop in the pop culture.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, definitely. And and that's what a lot of things, like even with music, I know like sometimes you like my mommy. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like you know, it's cause it's cause like it is what it is, but yeah, dude. For all our people out there and and all that stuff, yeah, bro. It's it's crazy. Cause even like for me, bro, like Spider-Man, the like the show, it's not a it's like kind of like a mix of cartoon and kind of like you know, anime in a way, but it's more like that one too, but it really was an anime because if the artistry was it was more like whatever American anime is.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly, exactly. That's what it felt like. Like so, what would you put the Batman series at?
SPEAKER_01:American anime in a way. American anime too, right? Yeah, it's just they it's just I guess we have our different style. And but to me, right, right. You know, but if it's if it's to me, if it's a storyline, like cartoons I consider like like family guys random, dude. Family guys random. So to me that's considered that's American anime.
SPEAKER_02:Well, no, no, that's that's just adult animation. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:You know, but they're just so random. Yeah, but like I and they're cool, they're cool to watch, but they're more like just a watch.
SPEAKER_02:I I honestly I don't watch very much McFarlane stuff. I don't I I used to when I was younger, but it yeah, no, no. I don't know if I just uh grew it or what, but it just seems very just random. But very the same thing though. It's always cut-off scenes and yeah, a lot of cutoff scenes. I don't like that and all that oh like back in the day when you cut off to that scene.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I'm more of a fan of The Simpsons, you know. If I could if I could choose.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I stopped watching that too. I stopped watching that after like uh season number 13 or 14 or whatever, like that. Yeah. I mean that was that's probably like early 2000s. Yeah, they start they start in the late 90s, actually.
SPEAKER_01:I think what happens is they start to like kind of try to connect with the with the what's going on now. Well, yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:And the whole have you heard the Simpsons now? I think Bart's a little bit older or something now. Um I haven't seen it, but I know like uh Marge sounds different. A lot of the actors that they sound way older, like not just Marge, but Ned Flanders. Oh, Ned Flanders sounds sounds very old too.
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:And I even uh Homer doesn't sound you is it you think it's the same people though? Or oh no, it's definitely the same people. Okay, but it's definitely the same people, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I guess that kind of gives it the more authentic the more authenticity, like the more authentic, like oh, they're getting older, their voices sound older. Yeah, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_02:Because I think even uh the voice of uh Lisa, she she already retired. I think her stuff is all AI. Yeah. I think I'm not sure, but I could have I'm sure I remember seeing I'm like 40, not like 65% sure that I remember seeing an article about her retiring, and that was like probably like five, six, seven years ago.
SPEAKER_01:You know what's crazy too is like even for Naruto and like Bart, I didn't know that it was a it was a woman who played their voice. Yeah, I wouldn't like I'm pretty sure for Bart it was a girl, it was a and nothing nothing wrong with that. It's just you know, I just always thought even for the Boondocks, I seen a little documentary clip where the Boondocks, the two guys were played, uh the Riley and Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh they're played by uh one girl. Regina Hall, Regina, yeah. Regina Hall. Yeah, like I said, that's dope. That's dope as hell, dude. But I would never think like I they sound they sound cool as hell. They sound like you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_02:Well, first of all, if you notice Boondoc, most of the voices from Boondocks is most of the cast from the Friday movies.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh the uh for RIP Witherspoons.
SPEAKER_02:I think it's even produced by most by most of the guys, most of the casts and the same production company as I mean, I think it almost even I don't think any I don't think Witherspoon was in it too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, Witherspoon was definitely he was the grandpa from a Friday. Yeah, I don't know if ice creep actually had anything to do with it because I don't even think I've ever seen him in that.
SPEAKER_02:No, he was the only one that was in it, right? But everybody else was pretty David kind of made it kind of referenced that a little bit too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. No, the Boondac is definitely another one of my favorites, funny as well.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I dude, that's literally has to be my favorite like adult animation that's not like comedy, adult animation comedy. Like I can go back and watch that. That that shit'll never get old for me.
SPEAKER_01:You've seen the one where they had the Popeyes where they did Popeyes, how people were for the Popeyes came out with their chicken and everybody was buying it like crack, and then the boondughts made one about it. Yeah, that was the itis, a bunch of them, yeah, bro. Dude, I oh man, and um I like the one where uh the teacher, the teacher's like, this guy's saying the N-word here, yeah. He's like, Oh, someone in the bottle of fry. Are you gonna give it back? Dude, the Boondugs is a classic, bro. Man, you know, there's just so many. And you know what's crazy though? Um, a lot of these new shows and a lot of these new even music, bro. It's always it's like kind of like a bite-off of the old stuff. And I get it, because I guess that's you know, you even when I heard right. When I heard when I heard B.I.G.'s juicy, the you know, I I honestly thought that was an original beat. That was an original, but no, they're like, dude, there's this this beat. It's uh yeah, it's this was from Uncle Stuff, so so it's crazy. So I get it, you know.
SPEAKER_02:That's why I I mean that's how most music is nowadays. It all really depends, but nowadays, anymore, I mean you have samples and loops and all that other stuff that you can manipulate, and a lot of it, a lot of it is royalty-free that you can chop up and screw and make into your own thing, and now it's your thing, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, it is kind of tricky though, because I feel like okay, as long as you clear it, there should be no issue. But there was this one guy, R. Peter, I don't know if you ever heard of Juice World. He blew up.
SPEAKER_02:Actually, I was just thinking about it when we first started our topic.
SPEAKER_01:He made the song that I think that blew him up was like I hear these voices in my head, and uh the beginning is like a the beginning, I think, is the beat of uh Lincoln Park or somebody like that. Something like that. Something like that. And they and they came for him. They say, Hey bro, you that's you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So I mean Triple X was kind of cool in that sense. I like a lot of his stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think he I think he had uh yeah, a lot of these, like you gotta be careful, you know what I mean? Like you're you're right. I would I would call like if me, if I was an artist, I would want to make sure I'm clear. The last thing I want to do is make a hit song, and that's that song that blew me up, and have to be like, damn, now I might have to take it down.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it's crazy to me that like for a while in the early like the late 2000s, early 2010s, 2010s, it seemed like we had an influx of nothing but like Spotify and SoundCloud uh artists that were growing up, like and a lot of them have rest in peace, have passed away, but a lot of them seem like their whole identity was just based off of having schizophrenia and having to take uh that was just all they rapped about. I think I think most of them are back passed away or OD'd.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's the crazy part, bro. And you know, that's the whole thing of like you would a lot of people don't see what's behind the scenes, they only see their favorite artists, and they think, damn, they got it all. They got cars, they got women, they got everything you could ask for, you know. But behind the scenes, I feel like everybody's always fighting something that we don't know about. And you know, R. Peter Mac Miller, dude, I never really listened to him, but I remember I did listen to his one song and he pissed me off, bro. I know I'm broke, dude. I know I ain't got shit, dude.
unknown:That's funny.
SPEAKER_01:I forgot what song it was, dude, but uh we were listening to it and he was like, I ain't got no car. He was like, I don't got no car. He's like, No, you don't got no car or something like that. I don't know if you know, but and I get it, bro. But it's just um you always at the mall, bro. You always at the mall, man. Yeah, you always at the mall, man.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and don't get me wrong, right?
SPEAKER_01:Like, I'm not saying you should listen to music that like fits your lifestyle. Like, dude, I'm not a killer, I'm not a drug dealer, but I like listening. Actually, pretty cool song, bro, to be honest. No, dude, no, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Not for me, dude. Not for me, dude. You put your differences aside, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I didn't like that. I didn't like that dude. I feel like he was coming at me, bro. He was coming at me, dude. I know he was, right? But no, no, but you know what I mean? But uh, you know, I obviously like like dude, even I'll throw on some Tupac when I'm washing dishes or something. Doesn't mean you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_02:Shout out to Vince Staples, man. I mean, uh, since we're talking about Mac Miller and all that stuff, I didn't really even know how how close those two were, man. Cause I'm really in really digging a lot of Vince Staples stuff. I mean I've always uh when it's come to music, when it's come to gangster rap, I'll admit I've always kind of always leaned to Crip. I'm not gonna lie, dude. Hey man, don't get it, don't get the studio shot up, bro. My boy Snoop. I'm not saying I'm either or I'm just saying though it's kind of Snoop was was Snoop is has is and always will be the shiz. The shizniz. The business.
SPEAKER_01:The the the seas of our seas, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know what's even up to this day, he's still got the beats, he's still the the thing to live to live up to, really. I mean there's Jay-Z, but I mean, honestly, I really don't think Jay-Z's got shit on Sniff. First of all, you can't even compare the two. It's two different eras, and it's not even the West Coast East Coast things. Because those were two different eras. Jay Z was just past the the whole East Coast West Coast thing. Yeah, he was. Really, it was it's it's just the style the style, and that what I'm trying to get to is uh the errors, really, more than anything. But still, I mean he's still around and he's still Snoop's still around, he's still throwing it down. I mean, I I could see that he's taking a step back from the spotlight a little bit, but he I understand he's focusing on uh on fundraisers and stuff like that. But I mean, that's kind of why I I kind of segue into Vince Staples. I mean, I didn't really learn about Vin Staples to Odd Future. Wolfgang Killed Them All. You know what I mean? Vinceples the one with North North, the one that's gonna be a little bit more than a lot north. That was a good song. That one was a good one. I I I like his flow, I like his paper, but not only that, it reminds me a lot of the whole Long Beach flow. Right. Because that's where Snoop is from. That's how I got into that's how I I kind of get I've heard this stuff before, but North North kind of got me into it. The show was a really good show, it's really well written, you know. Yeah, it's a good show, man. Yeah, I watched it. I just watched it for the third time all both seasons, back to back, dude. I think this last weekend, man.
SPEAKER_01:I I uh I stopped when he was at the bank, and the guy's like, oh, that's a great show. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah, they're robbing a bank, and he's like, What's up, homie?
SPEAKER_02:That's an awesome episode. He's like, Oh, what you doing, nothing.
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy. Yo, homie with the flower. Yeah, yo, homie with the flower. No, you know, I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and lie and be like, oh yeah, no. I never I the only song I heard from is because you put me onto that one song North North. And that was a good song. Yeah, it's a good job. Yeah, I did like that song, I mean, I did like that song.
SPEAKER_02:But he's got a lot of stuff out with the Earl's uh sweatshirts too. Like uh I can't even think of the jams right now, but uh like it's nothing because it's nothing, bitch. Oh, dude, that's my jams too, dude. That's a good one too. And I forget who else is on there. Um, but Earl sweatshirts is the shit too. That's that's what I've been getting into lately, is just that shit. But I mean he's got a good flow. Vince Staples is, I mean, I could see him coming up doing some good shit.
SPEAKER_01:My thing is the whole they and I'm not trying to knock him or nothing, but even they did this here in Chicago, dude. So you're gonna like game banging is is you know, I'm not I'm not into it. I'm I never really, you know, that's not my thing, but it I feel I'm pretty sure it's still alive. So when you let someone like Snoop, a Crip, go on stage in front of millions of people and throw up the C and Crip walk, come on, dude. That's gonna resent, that's gonna create a little something in the world. That's what I'm saying, dude.
SPEAKER_02:That's yeah, but I mean that's that too, that was his thing, though. I mean, how could you have him have a person up there and not do their signature thing? That's the only reason why you're there to see them. I mean, that's true.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02:I can't see myself watching Snoop Dogg without him throwing up a little, a little this and that, and you know, walking a little funny.
SPEAKER_01:So so so now what I think is gonna happen is like what I think would have probably like behind they're like, okay, why not let a blood go up there and throw up his set now?
SPEAKER_02:Okay, uh why don't you uh throw on get a couple of hits out? Yeah, you know, get a hit get a hit selling record, maybe uh do your shit for 10 years like he did for 30, 40 years like he didn't come back. Then we'll talk about it. Like, imagine you're you're imagining. But no way. I mean, but think about it. Didn't you had hasn't G unit performed at uh not at the No 50 Cent performed at the Super Bowl. See, there you go. He is a blood. He is a blood.
SPEAKER_01:He you think so? G you didn't even know.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't that isn't that by uh him and uh him and uh the game we were beefing? No, they were they were beefing over some I think they were they were beefing because they were blood. They were beefing because they were blood and cribs, dude.
SPEAKER_01:I think I'm pretty sure. I think look, I think if you talk about bloods and cribs, that's originally from LA. I'm not not I'm not a a specialist on this.
SPEAKER_02:Hold on. I think they were beefing for something. No, he's a little bit uh yeah, he's not a blood.
SPEAKER_01:You can't see the thing is New York kind of, I don't know, right? Like I'm just saying, because this is just my opinion. I don't think that's New York New York kind of adapted the whole blood thing, kind of I kind of thought that because he was always wearing red bandanas and stuff. Nah, that was just their style because the game was a blood, but the game was a the you could I feel like you could only say you're a blood if you're in a crypto. From LA from you know the game was a blood, from my understanding. Well, the game was a blood. The game was a blood. Oh, yeah. But G Unit was just a bunch of hustlers from like New York, and New York has its own little style and its own little thing, you know what I mean? Compared to like LA. And I'm like I said, don't quote me, don't no. I mean, yeah, I just wanna, you know, let's get her. I think they were just beefing over something else, and I'm not a hundred percent sure what it was. She don't even say was, it's it gave me.
SPEAKER_02:That's that's some was is and always will and shall be. Yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Like, got that. So that's that, but like, like, okay, so like imagine you're you're in a you're in a in a crew or whatever, and you see the other side. Damn, this guy's on the Super Bowl. What the hell? He's throwing up his set and he's dissing us. So screw that.
SPEAKER_02:So that's where you're gonna some people don't grow out of it though.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I mean? That's the crazy part.
SPEAKER_02:It's funny because I think I was uh watching a YouTube video about people not checking in with their hood. That's that's ridiculous, dude. That's ridiculous, dude. They don't make Twitter swift, they don't make it when they're passing through, when they're passing through on a tour show and they oh he ain't checking with the case. I understand I understand if you grew right. Does he know you? No, no, dude, just but he's rapping us okay. You don't see me, you don't have your number then. No.
SPEAKER_01:No, then dude, that's that's ridiculous. A grown ass man asking another grown-ass man to check in. Are you are you great?
SPEAKER_02:They were calling Snoop out on that.
SPEAKER_01:That's ridiculous, dude.
SPEAKER_02:And he was like, dude, man, I'm over here, I'm over here helping out my community, helping out these people. That should be good enough. You know, trying to teach these kids about music and about uh science and arts and all this stuff. I ain't got no time to be I ain't I don't have time to stop by and check out. Even if I did. We're we're grown-ass adults.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly, dude. Dude, they don't make Taylor Swift check-in, they don't make Ed Sharon check-in when they go to these do these shows. Exactly. Why are you gonna make just because what? Like I get it.
SPEAKER_02:Just because they were from the hood and they came up?
SPEAKER_01:That's that's because you know what they say. A bucket of crabs like to drag themselves, you know, everybody died. Yeah, man. It's like I get it, bro. Some of these people like to go to the hood, like some of these rappers, they like go back to when they blow up. Oh, look at me, I'm in the hood with a bent.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but look at what happened. Uh, I think they were saying uh what was it not too long ago? Something happened with some rappers somewhere.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of a lot of they came out blasting your summer, came out and it happens to a couple of them, bro, because the ego, bro, it's a lot like yeah, you could try to go back to do good for. You try to go, but there's always gonna be a hater, dude. And then the thing is, like, dude, if he's if he's doing what he says he's doing, if he's giving out turkeys or whatever, trying to better the community, why check in? Why do I have to go back to somewhere that's that that that that get him handed up? Exactly. I get it. That's what made you you going through the struggle being in that like, but that's why he did what he did was to get out of that.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. That's why any rapper does what they do.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And and nobody, dude, honestly.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, except for these kids nowadays anymore. It's like you guys are stupid.
SPEAKER_01:And honestly, dude, once you make it, you don't, you're not, you're not like, what's the I forgot there's a word, but you're you don't have to, you don't have to give back. It's nice, but you don't necessarily, you have to give back to your neighborhood. There's not a law that says that. People do it out of the, you know, maybe for whatever they do it, whatever it is.
SPEAKER_02:When you've lived in that struggle, you know, you don't want to. Obviously, right. I know I've thought of I've thought of the same thing. If I if I ever was in my means to be able to go back and help out or do my part to help people out, or like I've told you before, I try to do my part with, you know, trying to help out whenever I can, whenever I have the time and I can and have the money and the funds to do it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and like I said, that's just most people, you know, out of the you know, they they know what it's like to go to that struggle, and they you know, you try to lend a helping hand for the people who are in the position. Right, right. And but there's no law that says you have to do that. Right. So for a grown man to tell another grown man, hey, you gotta check in when you come here, bro. Yeah, like what is that? What is that whole that's ridiculous, dude? That's ridiculous. I can make my own runs to the I could hire my own security. I don't need your security, I don't need your your drugs, I don't need your drink, dude. Yeah, I don't need none of that.
SPEAKER_02:And a lot of times too is just to get to get uh jacked, right? Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:And then like it sucks, dude, because uh RAP to like Nipsey Hustle, dude. He was he seemed like a good guy and he was and he made a store and his nice little uh plaza. Yeah, yeah, because that's where you grow up. You know, I get it. That's where you go to get your snacks, and one day you're like, you know what? When I grow up, I want to take care of everybody, I want to take care of the OGs, I want to see that. And then and then you try to do that, but there's always some hating ass people, bro. Yeah, and then that's what sucks. That's what sucks. Look at like R.A.P. the young Dolph. This guy had a favorite donut shop or like a uh true where they like uh how we have Weber's.
SPEAKER_02:Wait, who?
SPEAKER_01:Uh Young Dolph?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, RP the dude.
SPEAKER_02:Some of the you know, they seem to be like I just heard about him to some I was just watching something about him.
SPEAKER_01:You go back to your favorite spot in the neighborhood, and what happens, bro? Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? And it sucks, yeah, right. You know, right?
SPEAKER_02:And it sucks, dude, because it's like, you know, but that's just but that's I mean, look at extentation too. Yeah. He wasn't even in his neighborhood.
SPEAKER_01:No, he was that's the thing, bro. People just hate. People just see you blow up and they feel like they that you owe them something. Yeah, you know, oh, you're in my neighborhood, you're in my neighborhood, you're not checking in, you're not putting in money, you're not giving me money, you're not. I don't have to, dude. I don't have to, dude.
SPEAKER_02:I'm giving money to your community, bro. What are you doing? Right, exactly, bro. You know what I mean? And that's why it's I'm helping out all those people, you're keeping down, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Right, you know, but bringing these people up that you keep them down, yeah. But everybody to themselves, bro, and it's just everybody's different, and we all some people like some people stuck are just stuck in that mentality. Yeah, you know, that's sad. Yeah, yeah, and I get it, because you know, growing growing up, you know, it's easy to be to like especially when you grow up without a father figure. It's easier to be stuck in a certain mentality, like, oh, I'm gonna run with this crew.
SPEAKER_02:But the saddest part is a lot of these people, some of these some of these dudes grew up with parent with dads. And that's yeah, might not have been their father of the years or whatever, but you know, but they grew up, you know. Yeah. So I really don't even think that has anything to do with it. If anything, that's probably why they are the way they are. It's because of their parents. I mean, because of their dad. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. It almost seems that way.
SPEAKER_01:No, dude, definitely. You know, I was fortunate enough to have a strict mother and and a grandmother, grandmother, yeah. You know what I mean? And like in a tight-knit family that looked out for me and uh, you know, try to keep me out of trouble. Yeah, and obviously, no matter how hard they try to keep you out of trouble, they're always gonna slip up somewhere and you know, stay where I can see you. And then five minutes later, you know. Right, right. But it is what it is, man. And um, you know, it's just it's crazy how things turn out. But yeah, I hope everybody enjoys the show as much as we like to as much as we enjoy moving the show. Yep, yeah. You know, I see you, I see you do got a little boom box. Hopefully, we can hear something uh later in the Christmas thing.
SPEAKER_02:I'm working on it. I'm definitely no, no, no pressure at all. I actually I've just been in the thought process and brainstorming and stuff, and I think like I said, I'm damn just gonna get some royalty free songs and just uh showcase my showcase the pipes, bro. Definitely, definitely.
SPEAKER_01:I I am thinking of uh having a new another beer, trying out a new beer and re and uh reviewing that one too. I'll let you guys know about that one soon.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, let me know ahead of time and get our third uh co-host in on this.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely. I don't know if you have any uh part projects yourself that you're working on that you want to let us know about or we just at the moment.
SPEAKER_02:I'm I I do have some stuff in the works, but I don't want I'm already I've already kind of got a full caseload, so whatever. Oh well. You know, at some point uh if if I don't even plug it in, then I'm sure you guys will see it on the on the YouTube channel. Uh definitely uh that's another good thing that we're talking about this. Uh please hit subscribe. Please that would like button. That would definitely be. I hope they like the new total of our 10, 10, or 11 whatever 10 podcast audios and one video. Right. And we do have a video out there now, and actually we're gonna make the jump ahead to video actually pretty soon. Actually, next next one I'm planning on it. I wanted to do it this time around, but I didn't want to be taking 30 minutes to set it out. That would have to set it all out and all that. So I'm just gonna take whatever this week and what till whenever we our next one is. I'll definitely test uh the microphones out. But that's I was gonna say that's gonna be another thing is that we're not gonna have to use these things. We're just gonna have to use the body things. I'm thinking we let's just keep them for yeah for show. No, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I would I it feels natural. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it just has to have stuff in between us and stuff like that. It makes it more look more professional. I was thinking. Yeah, sounds good. And what's gonna be cool about that is that now when we get up, if you need to use the bathroom, make sure you take off your microphone. You over there in the motherfucker taking a shit. Take a shit ripping one over there. No, definitely, definitely. That's gonna be something you're gonna have to get used to. We don't want to have a naked gun situation. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:That's a whole different uh yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But that's another cool thing, though, that we'll be able to get up and walk around and you know, go get a beer and not have to skip a beat.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely, definitely.
SPEAKER_02:But just remember that we will have micro on our person.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, it's gonna take some use, it's gonna take some time getting used to it.
SPEAKER_02:And then uh I'm actually, well, there must be traffic like crazy.
SPEAKER_01:Somebody's just holding up the line over there. That guy over there, he probably passed uh hopefully. No, hopefully he's not passed out in his car. It's just that one car.
SPEAKER_02:But uh really, yeah, it's like he's how long has it been out there for?
SPEAKER_01:It seems like a long time, dude.
SPEAKER_02:If someone should go check on him, uh I don't need I don't need that in my life.
SPEAKER_01:No, but we appreciate you guys. So we gotta check out my boy my boy. Oh no, he's moving, we're good. Okay, but yeah, and I'll do we definitely appreciate everybody who tunes in and takes the time to listen to us and uh dude.
SPEAKER_02:I feel like I'm coming down with something. Whoa. Okay, my nose is all clogged up and stuff. That's that bullshit. That's that bullshit. No, like uh I'm sorry, uh, and I'm sorry to go. No, no, you're good. Just please hit the subscribe, the subscribe button. Definitely helps. It would help us out a lot. Check us out on all the other platforms. We're on Buzzsproud if you want to maybe hit help us out with a little bit of contribution. Anything helps. We uh at some point might even start doing some extra content just to maybe put up on a paywall or something like that, but we still haven't even decided what's worth. I know we have some stuff that we have uh been plugging in for a second. I'm not sure if you're still all about doing all that.
SPEAKER_01:A couple of yeah, yeah, no, we'll definitely get to uh we'll get around to a couple of other things stepping out and I figure you know let's maybe get a little bit of an order, right?
SPEAKER_02:Maybe let's maybe hit 2k on the YouTube. Oh, definitely, definitely. And maybe uh maybe 500 on on Buzz Routes and then we'll we'll worry about putting up paywalls and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, definitely, definitely. We just gotta keep on pushing through. And and then and any other podcasters out there who listen to us or we listen to them, and you know, we definitely definitely like like to hear, we'd like to listen, we we we know.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, I'll tell you what, at some point too, we might even want to look into getting some guests. Any podcasters out there that are nearby, maybe check us out. I do have we're always glad to have people on the show.
SPEAKER_01:Right. I do have a buddy of mine, he is a streamer, and you know, we'll talk about it later just to make sure we're on the same thing. But um, you know, maybe just like yeah, even a couple of other people on the street.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, bring, yeah. If you have people bringing on bar, dude.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, not nothing crazy, but yeah, no, nothing crazy. But we still gotta figure out here at the A8 studio. We definitely need like a third mic, maybe.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, that's gonna be the cool thing about doing the body mics, the body mics and all that stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's too, that's too.
SPEAKER_02:We could I might even because it's only two mics per per connection, so I don't know. We'll figure something out for sure. Oh, definitely, definitely.
SPEAKER_01:And and like I said, anybody you you could think of or anything like that?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, it'd be nice if we can get our co our third co-host on here. That would be nice. A little bit more, yeah, a little bit more often. But you know, you know, it's wishful thinking, and we understand uh, you know, it's no big pressure. That's the awesome thing about having your own podcast is that whenever you can you can, whenever you can't sooner or later. Definitely, you know, eventually it'll happen.
SPEAKER_01:You know, you know, because we never really get to a point up and other things, but yeah.
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